Senators 4, Blackhawks 1

Well, it took 50 games but the Blackhawks finally laid their first stinker of the season.  The defensive corps played as if they spent all Monday night taking body shots off Dave Morris.  Cristobal Huet didn’t bail out his defense and the only forward to play with any consistency was Marian Hossa.  That’s not going to get it done against the Carolina Hurricanes, let alone the Ottawa Senators.

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67 Responses to Senators 4, Blackhawks 1

  1. Lou says:

    Well said.

    The third goal let by Huet was piss poor – all him

    It bigs to ask, is it time to ride the Fin Kid now for a while????

  2. John says:

    Campbell didn’t do him any favors on that one. Niemi will get more starts but no one will be riding him. On the ice at least.

  3. Burgstrom says:

    With that hair, I don’t think he has to worry about off the ice either.

  4. Lou says:

    Come on now. He just wants to look like Sopel

  5. Dave Morris says:

    Actually, I invited the Hawks to join me for a skate on the Rideau Canal and a game of shinny at our neighborhood outdoor rink.

    But they declined, preferring the company of the ladies who work the gentlemen’s clubs in the downtown core.

    Can’t say as I blame ’em.

    The best part about tonight’s tilt was my seat at Scotiabank Place right behind the penalty box. This afforded me an excellent view of the contrite faces of Hawks as they traipsed to the sin bin for no good reason.

    Marian Hossa, on the other hand, had not joined the boys on their galavanting, preferring instead to have tea with the Slovak Ambassador, and it showed as Mighty Marian played his customary excellent match.

    If the Blackhawks don’t learn quickly that less talented teams can steal their lunch money, they can forget about Cup dreams this year.

  6. Matthew says:

    My only joys tonight was seeing in person

    1) an amazing break-away SH goal, where it looked from my vantage point like the defenders literally stopped skating

    2) perhaps the most improbably save that will be made this season.

  7. Fork says:

    I wouldn’t use last night’s game to make the case for Keith winning the Norris, that’s for sure.

  8. Dave Morris says:

    @Fork> you could use last night’s game as an excuse to drink like Jimmy Norris, though.

  9. Fork says:

    I don’t drink, but last night gave me reason to reconsider.

  10. cb says:

    Rightly or wrongly, I’ll be looking back at this game as the time when I really began to doubt Huet’s ability to help the team to success in the playoffs. Sure, there were other signs, but the fact that he’s once again struggling after an extended period of success tells me that he’s streaky by nature, probably a bit of a headcase, and the timing will have to be perfect for him to play well enough in the playoffs for the Hawks to be a championship contender.

    Niemi deserves a few more starts than he’s been getting. But those who think he’s the savior are likely in store for disappointment. That’s not certain, by any means, but those are the odds.

    Take away Elliott’s amazing save on Hossa and the game would have been 3-2. Which is a way of saying that they were still in this one in spite of generally playing like shit.

    Speaking of which, is the image a reference to Spinal Tap?

  11. John says:

    No, it’s from a South Park Episode that ran during the ’04 Presidential Election where a Turd Sandwich ran for office against a Douche Bag.

  12. CT says:

    “the fact that he’s once again struggling after an extended period of success tells me that he’s streaky by nature, probably a bit of a headcase, and the timing will have to be perfect for him to play well enough in the playoffs for the Hawks to be a championship contender.”

    Congratulations, you just described every goaltender, ever.

  13. Lee says:

    Jaeckel in Hockey Buzz hass hit it right on the nose. When Huet goes down and does not stay on his feet he get beat often and that happened last night and the last few times he has played. It is time for him to sit out and work with Waite, his goaltending coach, and let Niemi handle the next group of games. If not and Q continues to play Huet we are going to see more of last night from him.

  14. Dave Morris says:

    Lee, when butterfly goaltenders go down they get beat high.

    Always have been. Always will be.

    If the Hawks had hit some Sens last night, and not coughed up the puck in their own zone so much, we wouldn’t even be discussing this.

    And I’m not absolving Cristo. I saw it all in ugly living color, from the best seat in the house.

  15. John says:

    Bless you, Mr. Morris. I don’t understand when it became a mortal sin for a goalie to get beat upstairs.

    As for sitting Huet for a stretch and letting Niemi have a long string of starts, you’re asking for a ton of trouble there.

  16. Mark Giangreco Roman Wrestler says:

    Nikolai Khabibulin, Cam Ward, J.S. Giguere, Chris Osgood, Marc-Andre Fleury. Are any of these guys the elite shut down goaltender you all crave for the playoffs? No. Have these guys all won the past 5 Stanley Cups? Yes. Are rhetorical questions lame? Absolutely.

  17. coach says:

    one of my fellow coaches suggest that we send Huet down to Rockford and sign Rolle the goalie. what do you think about that fifthfeather?

  18. Dave Morris says:

    PS have they announced that deal with the Thrashers yet?

    Can’t wait to see Frank Mahovlich finally wearing the Indian head.

  19. Dave Morris says:

    PPS @ Lee> BTW, the Zack Smith, Ryan Shannon and Peter Regin goals were the result of outstanding plays by each one of them. Believe it or not, the Senators have some good young talent.

    And they came ready to do battle, unlike Les Blaque Hawques.

  20. cb says:

    Either I’m dreaming or the stats show that 27 NHL goalies (with 18+ appearances) stop more shots than Huet. 10 of them have save percentages above 92%. I’m not saying the Hawks have any other option but to play him and hope he sorts it out. But you’re kidding yourself if you want to consider Miller or Brodeur the same kind of liabilities. It’s a concern and there’s nothing to be done about it but hope the Hawks can play well enough in front of him.

  21. Dave Morris says:

    CB> BTW did you see Brodeur last time against the Islanders?

    I think we’ve all said this before, and most of us agree…if the Hawks don’t play well in front of their goalies, they lose games like they did last night.

    That said, Manon Rheaume is itching for a comeback.

  22. John says:

    Here ya go cb, knock your socks off..

    http://puckprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=429

    While save percentage ranks may tell part of the story, it’s kind of like using ERA to say who’s a good pitcher and who’s a bad one.

  23. Herbie says:

    Roli, would be huge here – he is proving winner almost got a bad oiler team in the playoffs last year and now has 18 wins with an islander team that is now in a playoff spot this year and last year was the worst team in the league. Send Huey to Rockford bring in Roli (1/2 of Huey’s salary) and watch this team win it all. Don Cherry 3 weeks ago was blasting the Fyers for not not picking-up Roli when he was a free agent over the summer and if they would have they would be a contender. Ask the Oil fans what it was like to have him in the 2006 Cup run!!!!

  24. John says:

    And then next year, what’s the option, another $8 mill+ locked up in two goalies? That’s not realistic.

  25. Herbie says:

    Why is not realistic ? last year the hawks had 12 mil in 2 average (at best) goaltenders and if you look at it now there are 10 teams that have 6.5 million and higher in their two goalies – so 7.5-8 is not that out of whack. I rather have the money in goalies – that is how you win a cup – plus my guess is that Roli would love a shot at the cup here in Chicago – he might only have another couple years to play. Would clearly be the best 2.5 mln this could spend right now.

  26. Mark Giangreco Roman Wrestler says:

    Dwayne Roloson is such a winner, he has a 185-206-42 career record.

  27. John says:

    The big difference is the Hawks have added about $11 mill in salary since the Khabi-Huet days. I would rather use that $2 mill of Roli’s cap hit to re-sign Ham Sandwich than lock it up in a 40 year-old goalie.

  28. coach says:

    Rollie is only signed for this year and is a free agent next year.

  29. John says:

    Yeah, that’s wrong. He’s got a 2.2 cap hit through next season.

  30. Herbie says:

    Hawks fans don’t have to worry about getting Roli – their chances are looking slim – just heard that there is a couple other teams IN THE WEST that want him.

  31. Fork says:

    Roloson is no better than Huet. The Flyers should have signed him because signing Emery was the worst idea since nuts and gum. Not because Roloson is so great.

    The Hawks will have no choice but to ride out the Huet contract, and slowly make the transition to Niemi as starter – the last year of Huet’s deal he’ll probably start less games than Niemi.

    Other teams have thrown as assload of money at the goalie position, and are left without the ability to have the caliber of skaters and D-men the Hawks have.

  32. dominator says:

    Nuts and Gum: together at last!

  33. Herbie says:

    Ottawa fired their goalie coach – maybe the hawks should follow suit – every goalie that plays here underperforms – seems like a bit of a trend. How can people talk about a 2 mil cap hit? – I’m sure you were thrilled when hawks signed Campbell and no one mentioned the 8 mil cap hit for ever (for a 3rd D-Man) – it is moves like that that prevents the hawks from a 2 mil hit now and just an FYI – San Jose was so happy to get rid of him – THAT IS A FACT !!!

  34. Lee says:

    Are we forgetting Crawford who is now playing great in Rockford. Roenick on ESPN today,”The Hawks need to sign another goalie” They won’t win with Huet

  35. Herbie says:

    Actually maybe the Flyer comments was missed by some of the posters – Emery was never mentioned – Don Cherry only focused on a veteran that has proved to win down the stretch and can take teams deep in the playoffs – wow if Roli is no better then Huet maybe the Islanders will just trade the two even-up and then the hawks actually free 3 mill in cap space – something tells me the Is Landers won’t do that deal – does anybody out there think they will??? – if so let’s get Garth Snow on the phone.

  36. Mark Giangreco Roman Wrestler says:

    Yes, for heaven’s sake. Let’s do whatever Roenick suggests.

    “They won’t win with Huet” – 34-12-4

  37. John says:

    OMG, JR doesn’t think we have good enough goaltending to win the Cup!!!

    As if he would know the first thing about being on a Cup winner.

  38. Fork says:

    Please. Forget about Crawford. The Anaheim game was 2 years ago.

  39. Fork says:

    And if the Islanders would take Huet, considering the have DiPietro on the payroll for the next decade, then the Hawks should also offer Fraser for Tavares.

  40. Herbie says:

    I remember the last time the Hawks won the President’s Cup and that same year there was a tape made that was titled “A year of high hopes and shattered dreams” – I want huey to sign my copy for this year – lord knows he will be the lead actor!!!!!

  41. John says:

    Alright you have fun with that Herbie.

  42. blackhawkbob says:

    Herbie, I think I speak for most everybody when I say, ‘settle down.’ I assume you don’t want the “waiver wire” talk – it’s like “the birds and the bees,” but for Hawk frustrated fans – but suffice it to say that the waiver process is not going to get the Hawks out of any trouble you may perceive.

    More to the point, if you think Dwayne Roloson will cure all that ails you, I have a plot of land I’d like to sell you.

  43. Otter says:

    I agree with Herbie, Campbell for Rick DiPietro would be a steal for the Hawks. Might as well change Chicago name to Edmonton if we get rid of that Frog surrender and replace him with the worst contract in sports (apologies to Gilbert Arenas, Soriano, Sliva, and Vernon Wells).

    If Chris Osgood can win a few Cups, then almost anyone can win a few Cups. What matters is the talent in front of the goalie. A hot goalie can carry a team a few rounds, but eventually, the team with more offensive fire power will beat the hot goalie. I’m trying to think of the last time a team with the ‘hot’ goalie and just an okay team in front of him won the Cup… I know the Ducks lost to the Devils in 2003. The Hawks lost to the Pens in 1992…

  44. Dave Morris says:

    Herbie is a Red Wings fan, right?

  45. John says:

    You could add Cam Ward into that discussion but again, it was the year after the strike and everything was goofy that year. The Canes and Arturs Irbe got smoked by Detroit in ’02. Jon Casey and the Stars lost in ’91. Curtis Joseph and the Blues swept the Hawks in ’93 but then got killed by a superior Leafs team in the next round. Those 4 stick out in my mind the most.

    I wouldn’t say the Hawks had an ok team in ’92 though. They were one year removed from the Presidents Trophy and playing in a very weak Campbell Conference.

  46. coach says:

    no a minnesota wild fan

  47. coach says:

    better yet he is anything but a hawky fan

  48. CT says:

    “I remember the last time the Hawks won the President’s Cup and that same year there was a tape made that was titled “A year of high hopes and shattered dreams” – I want huey to sign my copy for this year – lord knows he will be the lead actor!!!!!”

    And the Hawks went to the Finals the next year with the same goddamn goaltender.

  49. TIMBO says:

    I AGREE WITH HERBIE HE WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THIS ORGANIZATION.HUEY STINKS EVERYONE KNOWS THAT. LOOK AT COACH Q’S COMMENTS IN THE PAPER TODAY.NOT TO MENTION ROLIE IS A STUDENT OF LEGENDARY GOALIE COACH WARREN STRALOW AND LOOK AT THE SUCCESS OF ALL OF HIS STUDENTS IN THE NATIONAL(HOCKEY LEAGUE). ANY WAY WE LOOK AT IT WITH HUEY AS OUR GOALIE IT VERY WELL COULD BE A DISAPPOINTING SPRING.

  50. Dave Morris says:

    @John & BlackhawkBob>wow, look at all the new traffic you’re suddenly getting.

  51. John says:

    TIMBO, I’d like to introduce you to a friend of mine: the caps lock button.

  52. John says:

    @Dave, Dwayne Roloson’s family doesn’t love him as much as some of our new friends do.

  53. blackhawkbob says:

    Dave, I’ve heard of “getting traffic to the net,” but this is ridiculous. Worse yet, I’m not sure who’s being sarcastic and who’s not.

    Nonetheless, it’s been a fun day of Hawk banter. Unfortunately for the Huet Haters, there’s little that can be done to remedy their displeasures.

  54. Dave Morris says:

    @blackhawkbob> traffic to the net means quality scoring opportunities.

    BTW any news on that trade for Carey Price?

    PS next time you guys come to Montreal for a Hawks game I’ll buy you both a hot dog and a beer at La Cage Aux Sports. Don’t fight over the dog.

  55. TIMBO says:

    JOHN CONCENTRATE ON HOCKEY AND NOT THE CAPS LOCK OR IS IT THE (OCD) HA HA.

  56. Patrick says:

    Huet is fully capable of winning the Cup, he just needs everyone in front of him to do their jobs too, and they just didn’t do them last night, or against Columbus…

  57. Dave Morris says:

    Wow…Carey Price to the Hawks is an E3.

  58. Dave Morris says:

    Niemi’s in against the Flaming Lips.

    http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=352540&src=149

  59. cb says:

    Great link, John, but it confirms exactly what I was saying: “Huet and Quick are on this list primarily because their teams are good at preventing shots, but for the most part the others are there because they have contributed to their teams winning hockey games.”

    It’s an argument against using the Win/Loss stat as a meaningful indicator of goalie performance. What does that have to do with save percentage? I gather you’re arguing that goalies can become champions even if they don’t have the best save percentage. Was I contesting that point?

    The Hawks are number two in shots per game, number one in shots against per game, number three in average goals per game. The Hawks are largely winning in spite of Huet and may continue to do so.

    It doesn’t mean they won’t win the cup, it does suggest they’ll have more goaltending trouble in the playoffs than, say, Buffalo or New Jersey.

    And I conclude by repeating that Huet shouldn’t be moved. There’s nothing to be done but hope he plays well. There’s no sense crying about it until Huet singlehandedly blows game 7 of the cup final (or a series-ending game 4 of the first round, for that matter). You can’t expect every facet of your game to be perfect and the Hawks have been dominant.

  60. Dave Morris says:

    @cb> since when are the Hawks 3rd in GAA? The NHL says different.

    CHI 2.20
    NJD 2.21
    BUF 2.27

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/app

  61. John says:

    The link and my point about save % were different. I should’ve specified. Somewhere in this diarrhea of a thread, I recall you writing something about his save % rank. I was just saying it’s not the end all be all goalie statistic that some (not you) make it out to be.

    And dave, he said number 3 in average goals per game, not GAA. I know, all this talk about Roloson made my eyes cross for a little too.

  62. Savy18 says:

    IN HONOR OF TIMBO – WHO CLEARLY IS THE GREATEST HOCKEY MIND THAT HAS POSTED ON THIS SITE IM USING CAPS ALSO: TIMBO YOU ARE SO RIGHT AND WHY OUR BELOVED HAWKS WONT GO GET A PROVEN WINNER DOWN THE STRETCH LIKE DWAYNE ROLOSON IS BEYOND ME. WE JUST NEED TO REMEMBER THIS OR-GAN-I-ZATION IS NOT EXACTLY KNOWN FOR GREAT TRADES. THANK GOD FOR ALL THOSE BAD SEASONS THAT MOVED US UP SO HIGH IN THE DRAFT THAT WE ACTUALLY GOT GREAT TALENT – AND WE ALL KNOW THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GM – U HAVE THE #1 PICK YOU PICK THE #1 PROSPECT – NOT 2 HARD. AFTER THAT WE R A MESS. FINALLY HAWKS PLEASE DO SOMETHING SMART GO GET ROLI FOR A 1 OR 2 YEAR RUN TO THE CUP!!! – HISTORY SAYS WE WILL GO GET CEASAR MANIAGO OR BETTER YET HIS BACK-UP FERN RIVARD – OR MAYBE THE LITTLE MAN DARREN PANG !!!

  63. hully says:

    savy – that was great that you gave credit to TIMBO, I would have to put you right in his league and maybe beyond. Roli would be huge here and at price that is not very much given what he has shown he will give in return. clearly i’m a HAWKS fan and know what this would mean for us, but the real reason is I have always loved the OILERS and what a joy it was to have him there and how sad it has been since he has left. Maybe if someone out there knows Roli we can convince them to contact him and have his agent call give our rookie GM a wake-up call.

  64. hully says:

    I have great idea: Let’s just stick with the FRENCHY and hope and prey. This will make all the HUGH-Eh fans happy. Early golf season for da HE-HAWKS. How sad but true.

  65. Dave Morris says:

    Hey, some Cesare Maniago fans. How ’bout that.

  66. Dale Halas says:

    Reading these comments and you guys question whether I am a Hawks fan or not?

    Look, save percentage has got to be one of the worst measures of whether a goalie is good or not. So you have 30 shots on goal and 3 good chances, well, is that really better than 15 shots on goal if you have 6 good chances. Its usually not the quantity of shots but the quality ones that dictate a game…

    The one thing I will say about Huet is that when he goes down he really seems to stay down. That wrap around play looked like he just gave up.

    Speaking of that play, it was ESPN’s play of the night for all sports. I didn’t even think it was in the top two plays of THAT game. I had it third, behind the shorty and the top play was the improbable save. Yea there was a whole lotta luck involved with it but still, that play changed the outcome. Sportsnet didn’t show it either. They showed those two goals but not the save. Pretty sad…

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